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Ooops, correction, only works in ie on a mac.

This "incompatablity" is the small price i pay for my mac -The upside includes: lack of viruses, never having a driver issue, great engineering, longevity, resale value, fantastic design, useability, and incredible cool advertising (http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/)

Quite a lot of which it has in common with a national 12! If Steve Jobs and Johnatan Ive had designed a dinghy...

Philip
N3253

Just back from a very enjoyable sail in the sunshine, reaching the whole length of the dam. With two 9 year old's as crew.

Weather conditions at scaling: http://scalingdam.org/WeatherVigil/Live/index.htm

webcam: http://scalingdam.org/WeatherVigil/Live/webcam.htm

(Both these sites get stuck from time to time, and this is another site that is not mac friendly - in fact only works with IE)

There are several young sailors looking for a sail next weekend - I believe Mark Simpson has a list if anyone needs crew - I just spoke to a young topper sailor who is keen to sail in a N12.

Philip
N3253 (looking forward to coming last in the inlands next weekend, anyone going to dissapoint me?)

Grazz,

This is fantastic - great job.

I think you should add the carbon fibre construction of hull as well.

One could do another one for AC/vintage boats emphasising the variety of hull shape and other desirapbe points (like price)

browser testing: on my mac - firefox works well (but is a bit jittery withmouse movements), IE 5.02 (the most recent for mac) is OK, but I get the Red background behind all the links), Safari does not work at all really - most of the effects stick on or dont show at all. Best to put a line on the link to say which browsers are supported.

Philip
N3253 - just off for a sail now...

I bet it's not quicker on a river!

I am coming up to the 1 year aniversary of owning my AC 12 (baggy). Sailing it since March - I've had plenty of opportunty to right it from a capsize.

I have found that in certain conditions It really is difficult to get the full boat out of irons. I had one really miserable experience a month or so ago when i capsized on the first tack after my best ever start! I was still in irons when the lead boat came round the start line again!! (I would like to think that my slim centreboard section  also makes the boat more prone to stalling in the tack, whch could make this problem worse as well)

The advice I did get from the northern hoard was to a) keep the boat as flat as possible once righted, not heel at all and b) sheet in the jib only to get going, only sheeting the main when you have started to move.

I have not capsized since then so have not had the chance to put these tips into practice, but they sound like the missing information - cos I thought I was doing everything else that had been advised at the time.

Philip
N3253

2610 is "Cheeky Tramp" which is a one off design. Someone may know what it is based on.

Is there no way of repairing?

Philip

theymustalleatalotofgrapefruit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3439391.stm

Philip
N3253

Hi Mike,

Can you explain the effect each of these might have? Which could rehabilitate the older 3000-3400 boats in club racing terms without breaking the bank? Would a full battened main be an advantage in all condiions?

Optional extras without changing the format of Burton/Gill is likely to protect most peoples curent investment. It could also give aardvark some interesting work on devising retro fit kits.

The idea is not to change the Burton rules - but get more N12's sailing at their clubs and this giving the whole class more of a profile.

Philip
N3253

Hi Alex,

Do a search on the forum for top batten - this has come up before (I asked the same question about 3 months ago!)

Basically, you have to roll tack, if you wait as long as possible before crossing to the other side (without shipping water) then cross over quite quickly and hike out to bring the boat level again. If you simultaneously tug on the mainsheet this should flick the batten.

Problems I have with this are:

Various opinions about the kicker tention in light winds - and this affects the easy of batten flicking

In really light winds, if the boom is close hauled, letting out the mainsheet does not do anything, so there is no mainsheet to pull in after the tack - but i would rather watch paint dry than sail in this sort of light wind with my present crew(s). My smallest crew has too much time on her hands to spot flies, spiders and other bugs in the boat - with resultant screams. My olderst just sits there looking sullen and saying how bored he is.

Philip
N3253

That's a bit of a blow - as my parents live 15 miles from Hunstanton I had hoped to be at NWNW and burton week next year.

As this week is the youth sailcamp at our club - it seems I'll miss BOTH.

Philip
n3253

Hi,

I am steping my mast further forward for sailing single handed with just the main, so I can get in more practice without being dependent on crew availability and patience.

I can get it 4 inches further forward on an aditional mast step without modifying the forard bouancy tank (very fleixible, these space frame designs).

This got me thinking about the possibility of a larger main sail and a vestigial jib. has anyone done this before?

Is it true that you can split the 10.4 sq m sail area between the jib and main however you want? I was thinking of trying a contender rig (11m sq), we could have a burgee for a jib!

Philip
N3253

Just check out the new google video search - it's great!

I just searched for "sailing dinghy" some great video from the I14's in canada. A few guys document their trip to san diego.

Also worth a look is the "pepsi and mentos" video. fantastic creativity!

Is anone planning on documenting their trip to BW on video?

Philip
N3253

as you say - dificult to guess the national classes...

---- spoiler warning!!! ----- I cite the classes in this post

wikipedia cite these as ISAF international classes...

14 Foot | 29er | 420 | 470 | 49er | 505 | Cadet | Contender | Enterprise | Europe | Finn | Fireball | Flying Dutchman | Flying Junior | Laser Standard | Laser 4.7 | Laser II | Lightning | Mirror | Moth | OK Dinghy | Optimist | Snipe | Splash | Sunfish | Topper |Vaurien | Zoom 8

and the RYA have this list as national classes...

Hunter
National Albacore Class
National Eighteen Class
National Firefly Class
National Graduate Class
National Hornet Class
National Merlin-Rocket Class
National Redwing Class
National Scorpion Class
National Solo Class
National Sonata Class
National Squib Class
National Swallow Class
National Twelve Class

So it seems that national class status is not a pre-requisite to international class status. I can't understand that. But if you look at the two lists, all of these will have rules in the ISAF standard format won't they? What is the reason that ISAF rules format is OK for all these clasess, but not OK for the National 12 class? is the answer, hardly any are development classes?

Philip

N3253

quite possibly not sailing it right!

can't see how single handed would destroy class - esp if you keep the competitions within class two crewed.

it just gives flexibility - i'm here now with a windy, sunny day, and two tired kids, neither of whom particularly want to go sailing. I think the comment about 'picking up crew on the beach' is very telling...

the world has moved on - kids have way more oportunities today, and child protection means you can't be that informal now. this is bound to have a knock on effect.

while we are on sacred cows - what about attaching a genniker? again with another set of handicaps...

philip