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#181
Why not have FEWER open meetings - then perhaps 12 sailors would sail more often at their home clubs, and be more visible to new sailors/youth. This class does seem to be averse to handicap sailing, why?

Yesterday - at our annual sailcamp for the youngsters, we had 43 kids sailing. The boats that they were sailing broke down like this:


    • oppys/optimists/optibats - for stage 1,2,3 and racing
      toppers for stage 3 and racing
      mirrors for stage 4 (double handed)
      laser 2000's, fireballs & topper Vago for sailing with spinnakers
      wayfarers for seamanship
      afternoon racing was held with lasers, laser4.7, topper, optimists

    On the Friday afternoon - the kids got out boats they would like to sail and the favorite with the top sailors (14-15 year olds) was the contender.

    My point? well - the boats represented were all made available by MEMBERS WHO ARE ACTIVE IN CLUB RACING. many of these same members are instructors at the clubs and were running the courses. I don't see any reason why 12's could not have been used for the stage 2 course - perhaps with a cut down sail depending on crew weight and conditions. If the 12's are absent from club racing, and the 12 sailors are not instuctors at clubs - then youth sailors will not be aware of them as a class and won't aspire to owning one. I'm in the class because my instructor was a 12 sailor. And I saw his boat at the club. I offered my boat for the stage 2 course, but this was not accepted, probably the feeling was it is not a 'youth' boat.

    The albacores, RS200's, RS400's and international canoes at the club sail every week (often twice) and only seem to be away at opens infrequently. the albacores, RS200's and RS400's are sometimes helmed by youth sailors. in fact an optimist sailor aged 11, helmed an RS400 to second place in the annual persuit race this year, beating a 15 year old helming an albacore into 3'rd.

    There is another point - there is little excitement for the crew in a national 12... Unless it is very windy. As this is a development class, surely something could be done about this - how about a single handed modification? the rs feva, topper topaz etc. can all be sailed in varying rig configurations with different handicaps...
    #182
    I might need some help here... the gasket is held in with aluminium runners screwed down. Do i need to glue it as well?

    The old gasket was being caught by the CB as it was being raised, and the CB was therfore sticking

    philip
    N3253

    #183


    thanks james just ordered some from www.sail-sport.com

    philip


    #184
    Need to replace this on my boat. Where do I get one?

    Philip
    #185
    Is the water warm? might get my other half out if it is... The kids will go out in anything - they have a different type of circulation, based on ready brek

    Also need a bit of wind for the old Baggy - can't be doing with the light stuff.

    I would definitely be interested - Germany is next years holiday destination anyway

    Jimbo - you could make up your own trophy, my mum and dad used to play in a friendly competition between a few friends at thier golf club, for, of all things, a chamber pot! from what I remember, it became more and more lavishly decorated each year!

    Philip

    N3253
    #186
    I’m sure you've put them through some sort of 'wave flattening' filter.

    Skiing photos were always the same - huge precipices became Norfolk fenland scenery in photos.

    It was a great experience for our first ever trip on the sea (save in a car-ferry)

    Can someone tell me what the course was? I got confused with the triangle sausage bit and the 'gate' - the triangle was clear - but I was directed through a 'gate' half way up windward leg? and I did not know what mark i was making for on the run... (sorry - i'm a bit dim, and everything is such a rush when you arrive to get on the water)

    Here is my diagram of the 'course'

    \\  wind direction
      \\
       
                                 o 1




                                      .          [] 'gate' and start



          o 2



                                                    0 3


    Philip
    #187
    Hi James et al,

    I'm still with aluminium at the moment - my dilema is if I order new sails now - and then transfer them to Carbon boom and mast next year, will they be the right shape for both?

    How different are the cut of the sails?

    also - which classes can we look at to buy second hand masts from and adapt?

    Philip
    #188
    General National 12 chat / lowers
    18 Jun 2006, 09:26
    Hi,

    How strong do lowers have to be and how much tension? I have steel lower shrouds on an 8:1 normal rope pully system - I notice some boats have dynema lowers.

    One of the brass bal bearing blocks at the mast step has been pulled apart by the tension. I have fixed it, but feel this is probably too much force.

    The mast is secured quite low down by the spaceframe (3-5 inches bellow normal deck level))

    Regards

    Philip

    N3253

    #189
    General National 12 chat / Tynemouth
    14 Jun 2006, 09:25
    Hi all,

    Where will the Tynemouth course be set? in the harbour?

    I have inlaws who are in South Shields - and could pop down and watch from there if it is in the harbour...

    I'm thinking of braving the sea, it will be our first salt water outing in any sailboat/dinghy - ever!

    Philip

    N3253
    #190
    is there such a thing as a single hander development class dinghy?

    Excluding the canoe - cos it's a canoe not a dinghy!
    #191
    General National 12 chat / Re: weight
    02 Jun 2006, 09:52
    #192
    General National 12 chat / weight
    01 Jun 2006, 06:50
    Hi,

    How does one weigh a national 12?

    There is a spring balance at our club (but I wonder when it was last checked against some accurate measuring device)

    I would like to measure the weight of my hull BEFORE i make any changes to see what needs doing to get it down to weight.

    I have looked for public weighbridges - but not found a local one yet.

    regards.

    Philip N3253
    #193
    Hi James and Emma,

    Gald you got home safe and sound

    Good to meet some fellow newcomers to the class,

    Philip and Joel
    N3253
    #194
    #195
    Hi Jon,

    My boat is exactly as you describe - wooden decks and a GRP hull. It is a Baggy Trousers - number N3253 - there were 6 made I think. 1984 vintage. There were some crusaders made like this I believe... then there are the fully GRP design 8's

    We have recently negotiated a better handicap at my club for single floor boats - which may help in handicap racing. it's 1104 (pre N3410)

    Mine is not down to weight - but Phil Davids N3217 is identical hull and he has it down to weight with carbon mast and spaceframe. My dad sanded it down last winter and we put on sikkens ceetol - it looks pretty good and did not take lots of coats.

    The main reason I'm here and not in the RS200 is the lack of a spinnaker. There are enough variables to consider on inland water without that.

    I really wanted to learn to sail well, and I figure a responsive boat will give me more feedback. A boat that is very susceptable to fore/aft trim and rig settings will teach me whats important.

    I also needed to maximise my boat for the money - when you consider the cost of an RS200 - you will see that you can get a much better second hand deal in the development class - and have enough money left over for some new sails possibly?

    Hope you join the class

    Philip
    N3253
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