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Hi,

Anyone else having a problem scrolling down to see all the later messages in a thread?

I am now having this problem, and Rgoer Brisley mentioned it to me as well...

Philip

Jim,

'wot no woody epithet?' ...or should than be snowclone?

Philip
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I can't find the thread now - but I'm sure the answer was given recently that any electronic gizmo that does more than point to magnetic north or tell the time was banned (anyone with a pacemaker better watch out!)

Philip
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Hi Rick,

Did not realise there was a marketing guru in our midst (perhaps more than one?) Do I take it that you agree, we should be more market driven?

The comittee focus seems the be to protect the product at all costs, whether ther is a market or not. Which is understandable, because anyone on the committee will find it hard to see the class from the outsiders point of view.

Philip
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This seems to be moving off topic a little... But having just started a company and having had to write a business plan (ugh!) I can tell you that all marketing advice is to be Market led, not Product led.

Whats the difference? Product or Market Led? In a sales or product led business the seller expects the customer to buy whatever they can supply. Successful businesses adopt a market led approach by producing or selling what the customer wants or needs. Think more about the market rather than the product or service.

Here endeth the marketing lesson... (not that I have taken this advice myself, I'm sure my product will sell, because I LIKE IT!)

Philip
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why on earth have a ban on a gps?! I read the comment earlier but decided not to 'weigh in', but I can't resist now.

This thread proves that there is an interesting reason to have one on your boat. I guess some will have the ability to save coordinates and speed - so you would be able to review the race afterwards at the bar. there will certainly be future developments in the technology. I could envisage all boats having them and the data is uploaded to a central race computer - this would help out enormously in the race office. It would also be good evidence for any disputes about the rules. It could update a large screen in the clubhouse to help make the racing even more of a spectator sport.

All these possibilities are exciting. I thought this was a development class, whay can't we be at the forefont of developments like this? If a lot of other classes are reactionary and say NO, surely we would be in a good position to discuss this with some forward thinking company who might want to develop some of the above technology and try it out with a cooperative class?

The only thing stopping me investing in the newest boat with the latest gismo's is other demands with a higher priority on my money. I don't think a development class should have that many rules to stop those who choose to spend their money on the latest thing from doing so - we will all benefit in the long run, as the best ideas filter down.

Philip
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I am being tempted by the 15% off sails at the moment.

Having read the article about Gavin's boat in ratchet (that landed on my doormat this morning), I am wondering what size jib to go for. I currently have a standard 2.2m2 one.

I would love an explanation of Gavin's thinking for each of his experimental design features. Lets strt with the 2.8m Jib - why is that likely to be of benefit?

Philip
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Welcome,

The NTOA subscription is worth it - the info in the members area will be of interest for sure, and the handbook is a facinating read.

Are you new to sailing or just the the twelve? how old is the crew? I started off with my son (13) last year in our 12 and we have learnt so much about sailing. It's definitely a great class to be in.

Philip
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[the muscles most loaded are the quadriceps muscle of the thigh, followed by the abdominal muscles]

scientific study into muscle use during hiking in laser dinghy

Author Sekulic D. Medved V. Rausavljevi N. Medved V.
 
Institution Department of Physical Education, Faculty of Natural Sciences Mathematics and Education, University of Split, 21000 Split, Teslina 12, Croatia; dado@pmfst.hr.
 
Title EMG analysis of muscle load during simulation of characteristic postures in dinghy sailing.
 
Source Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness. 2006 Mar; 46(1): 20-7. (16 ref)
 
Abbreviated Source J SPORTS MED PHYS FITNESS. 2006 Mar; 46(1): 20-7. (16 ref)
 
Abstract AIM: The aim of this work was to establish the characteristic values of the particular electromyographic (EMG) indicators in the simulation of hiking in the laser-standard class in dinghy sailing. METHODS: Seven top-level competitors participated in the study (age: 21.1+/-2.5 years; height: 184.1+/-5.7 cm; weight: 78.4+/-3.7 kp). The 4 muscle groups analyzed were those which, according to expertise are exposed to the most strain during training and competition in all classes of dinghy sailing, as well as in the Olympic laser standard class (extensors of the lower leg, abdominal, lumbar and tibial muscles). A portable surface EMG apparatus was used for the recording of EMG signals. Digitized EMG data were full-wave rectified and smoothed. Their mean values during characteristic hiking positions (sitting - S, upright hiking - UH, leaning backwards hiking - LBH) were compared by means of repeated ANOVA measures. RESULTS: ANOVA showed significant differences for the absolute EMG signal between analyzed positions for quadriceps muscles (UH vs S, p < or = 0.001; LBH vs UH, p < or = 0.01), abdominal m (UH vs S, p < or = 0.001; LBH vs UH, p < or = 0.001), tibial m (UH vs S, p < or = 0.01; LBH vs UH, p < or = 0.05) and lumbar m (LBH vs UH, p < or = 0.01). According to results, the muscles most loaded are the quadriceps muscle of the thigh, followed by the abdominal muscles. CONCLUSIONS: The findings of this study allow for a better biomechanical understanding of the character of the load distribution in body musculature in positions characteristic of the laser-standard class sailing, and these insights might be applicable to other classes of dinghy sailing.
 

Typhoon do repairs at their factory in Limerick Road, Redcar, Cleveland.

http://www.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&hs=GT8&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=typhoon&near=Redcar&radius=0.0&latlng=54603006,-1077626,3433350921975403841&sa=X&oi=local&ct=result&cd=1

I had a small hole in my breathable drysuit knee (less than a year old) and took it to the factory in person - they heatwelded it in 5 minutes for free - thats good service.

Philip
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6 miles from Redcar!

That looks a lovely job of renovation. Well done!

What paint did you use internally?

Philip
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There are the following RB12 design boats in the yearbook:

1977 N2965 the green pig T.A. Rawlinson (mk 1)
1978 N3037 verte subito T.A. Rawlinson (mk 2)
1980 N3103 smeagol T.A. Rawlinson (mk 3)
1980 N3105 the futures orange T.A. Rawlinson (mk 3)
1980 N3119 oink T.A. Rawlinson (mk 3)

It's a 4 plank design capable of being sailed in "vintage" events. If this is "verte subito", it seems to have been sailed at trent valley this year under a different number (N3150) I don't understand how...

Price will depend very much on it's condition and that of the trailer, covers, sails, etc...

Philip
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Could be manufactured out of wood - to keep Jim happy...