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General National 12 chat / Re: Newbie.
« Last post by Antony3514 on January 19, 2021, 11:10:09 AM »

Don't rule out a boat from the previous generation.   There are some pretty quick examples of Foolishes and Chapters that have been converted with the addition of a winged rudder.   You might also find, at least at the club in handicap racing, that you prefer sailing with a normal rudder around Salcombe, and the DCB does not work without the wings.   My suggestion, if you can face the geographic issues, would be to see if you can pick up a cheap Foolish and get it to Walton (Essex) for Simon Hipkin to fit a winged rudder.   The combined cost will still be a lot less than a DCB (if you can find one).

Antony Gifford
General National 12 chat / Re: Cascade kicker
« Last post by johnk on January 18, 2021, 02:37:38 PM »
The physical size of the block is not too important - as long as it is appropriate for the rope/wire that is used. However the boom block carries twice the load of any other block so it MUST be able to cope with that load. A high load block may well be needed.
General National 12 chat / Cascade kicker
« Last post by stephenscriven on January 18, 2021, 11:18:17 AM »
Is it better when making up a cascade kicker too have a larger diameter block on the boom. Or is it okay to use same size blocks
General National 12 chat / Re: Newbie.
« Last post by Jburn6606 on January 15, 2021, 05:21:02 PM »
Thanks John, I remember sailing with you at Chew Valley all those years ago!

Fingers crossed some one will come forward fairly soon who wants to sell their boat.


General National 12 chat / Salcombe YC regatta
« Last post by John M on January 15, 2021, 04:45:03 PM »

Open for entries!  Refunds etc if it cannot go ahead. 

Sunday 1 to Friday 6 August

Wonderful place to sail, nice beaches.  Options for self catering or camping.  We camped last summer a couple of miles out of town.  We kept the 12 on the beach and a little inflatable in the town boat park which we swapped for the car when we came into town.

Book boat parking in the town with Salcombe Harbour Authority

General National 12 chat / Re: Newbie.
« Last post by John M on January 15, 2021, 04:40:53 PM »
Hi John

I remember you!  I hope you can find the boat you are looking for.  It would be great to have you back.

General National 12 chat / Newbie.
« Last post by Jburn6606 on January 14, 2021, 06:14:54 PM »
Hi Everyone, my name is John and I sail at Salcombe. I used to sail 12ís around 20years ago and Iím looking to get back into the fleet.

I currently sail an RS200 with my 11 year old son but think a 12 would be a better boat for Salcombe. The asymmetric spinnaker isnít great in Salcombe due to the lack of space and wind direction. It ends up being more hassle than itís worth.
Iím looking for a boat that is fairly new with all the top spec bits. If anyone knows or has something suitable please get in touch.

Finding a newish second hand 12 seems impossible.

Also if anyone wants an RS200 then Iím happy to sell or swap/part ex for a 12.

Also any advise for us would be great and most welcome.

Hopefully see you out on the water soon.

General National 12 chat / Re: N12 In Poole
« Last post by David_Wilkins on January 10, 2021, 07:27:38 PM »
Hi Jason
Iíve just seen this post.
Iím a member of Parkstone but no longer have a National 12. One of the member had a Numinous design as toy (thereís no fleet racing for them at PYC) but it hasnít been at the club for a year or so.
Have you had any success with your quest? If not perhaps try Spinnaker SC which is where we last sailed our Twelve, there may be one or two stool there.

Boats / Re: N3473 Max Factor
« Last post by rosie on January 04, 2021, 02:17:10 PM »
I first sailed Max Factor at the Abersoch Nationals in 2005 Crewing for John Meadowcroft (who was the original owner).
I bought Max Factor in 2016 from Jon Whitehead. Jon had done the 2011 Brightlingsea Nationals with a new suit of sails and a composite craft foiling rudder.
Max Factor has since been sailed (semi- regularly) at Sutton Bingham Reservoir as well as doing some Gul series events and the Nationals every year.
General National 12 chat / Charlie Lloyd
« Last post by John M on December 22, 2020, 09:51:49 PM »
Hi everyone

Many 12 sailors will be aware that Charlie Lloyd, stalwart of the Salcombe National 12 fleet, unbelievably passed away in August having suffered a heart attack whilst out cycling with friends.  Helen and Charlie had sold Paradocs earlier in the summer and many of us had seen him sailing his Solo whilst we were in Salcombe earlier that month.  It was unbelievable given how fit that Charlie was - he had run a sub 3 hour marathon!  Charlie was kind, generous and humble.  He was not a regular race winner but he loved the competition, the rivalry and the thrill.  He represented everything that is good about 12 sailors and the N12 family.  I miss his observations on the world and his advice.  I am pretty sure I am not alone. 

Helen has written to me and asked me to share the message below with you all.

We thank you all for your great kindness and thoughtful words after Charlie died and for beautiful flowers. We had so many good times with the fleet, who, of course, we always let beat us to make the journey to the south west worthwhile. Thank you  for friendship, guidance and support and coping with Para-docs as we careered around and keeping us in mind at our darkest hour. We had planned to send Christmas cards to thank you individually   but couldn't quite muster it so please accept this and know we look forward to seeing you in Salcombe when it is next possible.Greeting us with a smile  is most  helpful.  We can't help what has happened to us but we can choose how to respond and we choose to look back with appreciation. Keep well, keep enjoying life.
Good tidings and ON ON as the runners say.
Helen , Sam & Rosie Lloyd

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