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#1
Boats / Re: N3476 Sproggit
Last post by Saparre - 25 Apr 2025, 03:40N3476 has now moved to Suffolk and will be sailed at SESCA near Bury St.Edmunds and also Deben Yacht Club.
#2
Boats / Re: N3335 Crazy Marmot
Last post by Saparre - 25 Apr 2025, 03:38N3335 has recently been sold and has moved to Northampton Sailing Club.
#3
General National 12 chat / Trent Valley Open Meeting Sund...
Last post by paul turner - 16 Apr 2025, 12:55Trent Valley's N12 open meeting is on Sunday 11th May; the meeting is for all types of N12 including Vintage, Four Plank, and Admirals Cup.
Races will be at 14:05, 15:05 and after tea at 17:05, being 5 minutes after the club handicap race starts.
No entry fee/no prizes but a donation of £5 is requested to cover costs.
Full sailing instructions will be available on the day, but if you have been to Trent Lock before please be aware that the old buoy numbering system, which has survived since the first ever N12 open meeting with only one update for the "Goddard Chicane", has now been revised for your entertainment!
It would be helpful if you could let me know if your coming to join us: paul@ryehillfarm.com
Races will be at 14:05, 15:05 and after tea at 17:05, being 5 minutes after the club handicap race starts.
No entry fee/no prizes but a donation of £5 is requested to cover costs.
Full sailing instructions will be available on the day, but if you have been to Trent Lock before please be aware that the old buoy numbering system, which has survived since the first ever N12 open meeting with only one update for the "Goddard Chicane", has now been revised for your entertainment!
It would be helpful if you could let me know if your coming to join us: paul@ryehillfarm.com
#4
Boats / Re: N1257 Come Lucky
Last post by edwillett - 07 Apr 2025, 04:19Advertised for sale on FB Marketplace and eBay April 2025. Located near Chester. Advert reads :
Classic 1950s sailing dinghy. Ready to sail. Trailer included. New tyres and wheels on trailer last year.
Classic 1950s sailing dinghy. Ready to sail. Trailer included. New tyres and wheels on trailer last year.
#5
Boats / Re: N2042 Quill
Last post by edwillett - 24 Mar 2025, 10:46For sale on FB Marketplace March 2025. Located near Oxford. Advert reads as follows :
We are selling our beautiful wooden N12 "Quill", because she is not seeing the action that she deserves. We bought her two years ago from a departing club member, so she has been at the club for a while. She is not the fastest, but fully operational and comes with main and jib, spinnaker, trailer, separate road trailer (fits underneath the launcher trailer), a new cover (April 2023) and various bits and bobs. It is quite possible to handle her as one person, but she sails a lot better with a two-person crew. Asking price is £250, but we will entertain any offer from a good new owner who will sail her once in a while.
We are selling our beautiful wooden N12 "Quill", because she is not seeing the action that she deserves. We bought her two years ago from a departing club member, so she has been at the club for a while. She is not the fastest, but fully operational and comes with main and jib, spinnaker, trailer, separate road trailer (fits underneath the launcher trailer), a new cover (April 2023) and various bits and bobs. It is quite possible to handle her as one person, but she sails a lot better with a two-person crew. Asking price is £250, but we will entertain any offer from a good new owner who will sail her once in a while.
#6
Boats / Re: N2416 Minianna
Last post by edwillett - 19 Mar 2025, 07:11Offered for sale on FB Marketplace march 2025, needing TLC/restoration. Located in Helston, Cornwall.
Advert reads as follows:
Wooden dinghy, needs much reburbishment. 4 x Sails, various fittings, mast, boom, buoyancy bags and rudder. Trailor can be included, is not currently road worthy.
Advert reads as follows:
Wooden dinghy, needs much reburbishment. 4 x Sails, various fittings, mast, boom, buoyancy bags and rudder. Trailor can be included, is not currently road worthy.
#7
Boats / Re: N867 Black Magic
Last post by edwillett - 19 Mar 2025, 07:07Offered for sale on FB Marketplace March 2025, located in Poole.
Advert reads as follows :
Jack Holt / Needs a bit of deck work. Buyer would need to transport
Advert reads as follows :
Jack Holt / Needs a bit of deck work. Buyer would need to transport
#8
General National 12 chat / Vintage National 12 - looking ...
Last post by DavidR - 15 Mar 2025, 11:54I have a National 12 in excellent condition which I would like to give to a good home. I sailed it for many years in Burnham Overy and it is enormously fun to sail.
It is a beautifully crafted vintage boat and has been kept in dry storage at the Burnham Overy Boathouse in Norfolk since the 1970s. The clinker dinghy (N1488) s a Proctor Mark VI. It;'s in very good condition and comes complete with mast, sails, cover and buoyancy. I've posted it on the Associations boat for sale listings.
It is a beautifully crafted vintage boat and has been kept in dry storage at the Burnham Overy Boathouse in Norfolk since the 1970s. The clinker dinghy (N1488) s a Proctor Mark VI. It;'s in very good condition and comes complete with mast, sails, cover and buoyancy. I've posted it on the Associations boat for sale listings.
#9
General National 12 chat / Re: Where to now?
Last post by Dave O - 11 Mar 2025, 08:03Hi.
Really interesting to read where, what and how the class is trying to address the issues which I think most classes face - diminishing fleet sizes, lack of participation and, new boats being built.
Having done most of my sailing circa 40 years ago in Fireballs, GP's, FF etc where NAT champ numbers were regularly over 100 and open meetings over 30, I've returned to dinghy sailing after a 30 years out of the game.
My main boat is a Fireball but I keep looking at a N12 as a 2nd boat. A lot of the discussion here certainly reflects that of the Fireball class however they have decided to have a design change, allow carbon hulls and introduce twin poles and adjustable rigs. Whilst a lot of the hull design changes are supposed to make production easier, I'd be surprised if the hull retails less than the last fireball built in 2020.
Rumour has it there's 10 boats on order but will that be sustained? If those new boats are substantially quicker than the original design then existing owners are left with an uncompetitive boat. So you're left with buying a new boat (£18k ISH) being uncompetitive, or moving class. Time will tell.
The 12' s will have to play a careful game.
My hesitancy into buying a 12 is lack of suitable sized crew (there's no youngsters running around at the club) and if there is a diminishing, south centric open meeting circuit. I'm happy to race non foiling category.
Again, the Fballs have dropped most of their opens - now having 4 'championship' style events - of which nothing is north of Rugby.
So, very little open sailing for the cost of the boat outlay. I understand most sailors can't afford or maybe don't want to do an open circuit but if you do your best option is the ILCA fleet.
It's a difficult one to summon up the magic answer. The 12's are relatively cheap to buy and maintain secondhand so should be attractive to new entrants, but definitely, please don't diminsh the racing calendar.
I'll continue to travel a long way south for my Fireball racing despite healthy club numbers in northern England and hopefully find a lightweight crew and N12 boat when spring arrives.
Really interesting to read where, what and how the class is trying to address the issues which I think most classes face - diminishing fleet sizes, lack of participation and, new boats being built.
Having done most of my sailing circa 40 years ago in Fireballs, GP's, FF etc where NAT champ numbers were regularly over 100 and open meetings over 30, I've returned to dinghy sailing after a 30 years out of the game.
My main boat is a Fireball but I keep looking at a N12 as a 2nd boat. A lot of the discussion here certainly reflects that of the Fireball class however they have decided to have a design change, allow carbon hulls and introduce twin poles and adjustable rigs. Whilst a lot of the hull design changes are supposed to make production easier, I'd be surprised if the hull retails less than the last fireball built in 2020.
Rumour has it there's 10 boats on order but will that be sustained? If those new boats are substantially quicker than the original design then existing owners are left with an uncompetitive boat. So you're left with buying a new boat (£18k ISH) being uncompetitive, or moving class. Time will tell.
The 12' s will have to play a careful game.
My hesitancy into buying a 12 is lack of suitable sized crew (there's no youngsters running around at the club) and if there is a diminishing, south centric open meeting circuit. I'm happy to race non foiling category.
Again, the Fballs have dropped most of their opens - now having 4 'championship' style events - of which nothing is north of Rugby.
So, very little open sailing for the cost of the boat outlay. I understand most sailors can't afford or maybe don't want to do an open circuit but if you do your best option is the ILCA fleet.
It's a difficult one to summon up the magic answer. The 12's are relatively cheap to buy and maintain secondhand so should be attractive to new entrants, but definitely, please don't diminsh the racing calendar.
I'll continue to travel a long way south for my Fireball racing despite healthy club numbers in northern England and hopefully find a lightweight crew and N12 boat when spring arrives.
#10
Boats / Re: N3043 Leprechaun
Last post by edwillett - 11 Mar 2025, 05:46For sale on eBay March 2025, located in Ashbourne.
Ad reads as below :
National 12 3043 Scooter Design in Fibreglass.
2 mainsails, one requires repair (see pic) other very used. Jib fine.
Dangly pole requires refitting, rope purchased and included in the sale.
Seat has been reinforced.
100% watertight.
No trailer but launching trolley included.
Ad reads as below :
National 12 3043 Scooter Design in Fibreglass.
2 mainsails, one requires repair (see pic) other very used. Jib fine.
Dangly pole requires refitting, rope purchased and included in the sale.
Seat has been reinforced.
100% watertight.
No trailer but launching trolley included.