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Hi guys

Thanks for all the replies. I have finally come up with a system
that I think will do what i want.... just got to order the blocks to make it
work.

Essentially I am going to run a cascade on each side between the
deck and mast step to handle the bulk of the forces then a 2-1-2 final
connection up and down the front of the mast between the mast foot and the
front of the mast gate to join the two and finally to separate them again for the
feed to each side.

So thanks again, its good to talk these things through.... It’s
one of those things we really miss out on sailing as the only active 12 at the
club and currently being unable to make any of the opens. One day though...

And yes its a good buy. It does need a lot of work but the hull is
so well made I think its worth it.</font>

Cheers

Ian

3453, 3162

ummm perhaps I could run it up and down the mast. I hadnt considered that as I have been looking at the hull on its own.

Not Ideal (one more thing to disconect and get in a muddle when removing the mast) but an option.

Thanks

Ian

From the side decks and there is nothing that is obviously structural enough on the front bulkhead to make a cascade that runs up and down the back of the mast

Ian

Hi all

Finally bought a more modern boat 3453 Email. A DB Final Chapter

Its not been used for quite some time and i didnt like some of teh controls so I've started be tarting it up the cockpit area and restringing her, but I'm having a problems coming up with a neat and simple way of stringing the lowers.

I'd like to route them out to each side of teh thwart with the kicker?

I cant be the first so does any one have some pics of a working set up that they could post to give me some inspiration.

Thanks
Ian

3162 (soon to be for sale!)
3453

Its a fair point.

That said its easy to say that when its not me that will be doing it!

Ian

So as the current generation of boats with foils seem to have made a small but signifuicant step forward what have the rest done to try and keep up.

I know there are a couple of Foolish's out there with a T foil converstions on them that seem to work... but what about the other designs.

And what about centerboard flaps, rigs and jib/main ratio's etc .Has any one played with these on older designs recently.

Ian
3162

Re center main

Whilst I agree that learning to sail transom sheeted isnt that difficult some of us just dont want to... so I sail our twelve with a split tail main sheeted from the boom like the skiffs do.

It gives us the center main benefits without all the center main clutter that would get in the way. Its a good compromise, doesnt require any holes to be drilled in the boat and allows you to switch between center main or transom main really easily to try out both systems.

Ian
3162

Dont suppose any one has an off cut of something like 12x12" 2mm carbon or GRP sheet they want to sell me do they?

Ian

Simple enough question I guess

Cheers

Ian

3162

Hi Gareth
Yup I dont have an issue either way as Clips is a great boat but its a little more unkind on Tigger and any other old boats that may appear in the future.
It also has to be rembered that we sail on a huge expanse of caparitivly open water and in a mixed fleet of what a lot of people would call fast boats, and as such dont fit into the normal 12 bandit conditions.
Regards
Ian

Appears that we have done a bit to well this year in Bicycle clips and the Medium fleet is starting to moan about our PY (even though in terms of the club prises we did better in the Merlin, 29er, Buzz, that we had previously) The club currently use the age related PY, in the same way that they do for Merlins... and Tigger, an old Tigress sailed by a good helm but normally a scartch crew (the only other 12 at the club) does ok but not birlliantly using the same PY numbers

So how many clubs use age related PY's and how many just stick to the published RYA figure.

Ian
3162

Probably poor form to discuss a competing boat on this forum.... but I'll ask the question any way.

Are there any twelve sailors on here that have tried the boat or at least seen it sailing. How does it compare.

I'm asking because we love our 12 so much (Bicycle clips) that we would love to get a newer, stiffer, arguably more competative design but there just arnt any around for sale at a price we can afford. We tried to buy 3462 a couple of weeks ago and one other that I tracked down privatly that hadn't even been offered for sale at that time, and even though I was the first to contact them, offer the money, arrange to view, for some I didnt get a chance to buy them! And they were the first newish boats I'd come accross in about 8 months.

I'd love to buy Old Socks but cant really aford that much... and that got me thinking...  If I could afford it would I be better off buying a new Icon any way. New boat, new class etc  etc.

I suspect I'd find that we wernt big enough to enjoy it in a blow and that it would be too boring to sail, both technically and in terms of the whole sailing experiance.... but am i being unkind.

Not really thinking of jumping ship so to speak, the 12 is just to much fun but when you cant find the boat you want it does get you thinking

Ian
3162 Bicycle Clips

Lots of views but no reply's... so I guess they arent very common, or every one is keeping quiet!

Ian

I have the trim tab centreboard and I would agree with Andy on the damage and the light airs issue. In the right conditions (medium wind strengths) I feel it does give a bit of a benefit. 
Getting the board down at the leeward mark is an issue with the system I have, so I was considering making some changes. I wasn't aware that Tom had fitted a different system to his. Maybe Andy or Tom could enlighten me about the details.

Steve
N3531

Hi Steve

So if its only really of benefit in medium winds do you find it a hindrance  at other times or just no different?

Ian

Hi all

Any one know what a Full Force carbon mast is like, compared to say a Super Spars?

Cheers

Ian