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tonyelgar

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Marmite Soldier
« on: September 11, 2008, 05:03:55 PM »
Just heard about the location of Marmite Soldier in Bristol. Does anyone know anything about this design by any chance? passing curiosity really...::)
 
 
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Re: Marmite Soldier
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 12:44:43 PM »
Hi Tony,
I remember this boat but I'm struggling with the details, its a long time ago. Perhaps some others will correct me if I'm wrong...
I think the boat was first owned by Steve Lightfoot who used to sail at Ranelagh> It was designed by Phil Morrison and I believe is a Design-6 or varient. If I remember correctly the original Design-6 was very much a round-bilge shape with no distinct chines - much like Tigress but more so. It was a bit retropective and never went very well off-wind in a breeze (unlike Tigress). I believe Marmite Soldier was to this design but had chines added at some point. I know at about the same time Phil had an International 14 of a similar shape and I remember Ray Sellings giving that boat the added chine treatment.
I do remember this boat going well up-wind. It may well have been a good inland boat but I'm not sure, I don't remember racing it on the river. By modern standards I don't think she will be that fast but if in good condition may make an excellent club racer. I think only one or two of this design were built which should give you an indication.
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Re: Marmite Soldier
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 12:45:57 PM »
Just realised - it was Nick Lightbody not Steve Lightfoot!

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Re: Marmite Soldier
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2016, 09:01:03 AM »
Just happened across this thread, so thought I would tidy it up.

I worked for Phil Morrison sail-making from 1977-1979 and during that time Phil designed, amongst several other designs, Gemini - a twin trapeze concept built by Phil, Bill Twine and myself which resulted in influencing the 14s to get a second wire and Marmite Soldier. The common feature here was being a 2 planker, a cold moulded bottom and a ply topside providing both lighter simpler construction (cold moulding is much better on a curve than flat if you don't have a vacuum bag) and a change of surface to cause the spray to part from the hull. The Gemini mould was built the same way and then used to create a female glass mould.

What was tricky about Marmite Soldier was that the cold moulded lower part of the hull had to pass the double curvature rule which existed then, which it did.

It also had a delta centreboard, very triangular, which resulted in the weight of water being carried in the centreboard case being much reduced as the case was tapered to match the board. The board was designed to be used upwind with an approx vertical trailing edge hence a swept back leading edge. It was was quite tricky to build.

I built a mould and then a hull with SP Epoxy during the winter of 1977 in a garage in Hailsham. Cliff Harvey borrowed the mould and started a second hull which Jonathan Turner finished off for him.

I built a very light Proctor C mast, stabilised with Morrison wires and used sails I made at the loft with Phil.

I sailed Marmite Soldier at Ranelagh through a winter series, various opens and Burton Week at Whitstable where we were 3rd Ranelagh Team boat for the Gypsy Trophy with Mike Jackson and Chris Edwards and then sold her to Annette Hughes where she stayed at Ranelagh I believe for a while.

As designed she was an excellent displacement boat with modest planing performance. So I consulted with Phil and then added some displacement under the mast and two rear chines with SP and micro balloons which produced great downwind performance but, obviously, reduced the displacement performance, especially tacking.

So in summary Marmite Soldier included the following features which were either innovations or early examples of something reinvented or new in the Twelves at the time:

1. Delta board with a removable handle which disappeared into the case when down
2. part cold moulded part ply hull
3. built entirely with SP products
4. Morrison wires
5. After market bumps

I shall be interested to hear whether she still exists.
Cheers, Nick Lightbody

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Re: Marmite Soldier
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2021, 10:13:17 AM »
Here are photos of Marmite Soldier recently for sale in Portsmouth.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2021, 10:14:52 AM »
You can see the bumps added under the mast and at the transom

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Re: Marmite Soldier
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2021, 10:16:34 AM »
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