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Hi guys I'm really sorry for the delay with info. It seems that I have made an error in my attempt to email the NOR but I hope to have this resolved by the end of the day. Hers a quick answer to your questions.
1 yes you can camp on Friday night as well as Saturday.
2 we can do anything we want on Saturday night as there are no shortage of places to eat and drink just a short walk from the club on the promenade.
3 signing on will be between 9-11 on Saturday with 3 races scheduled on both days.
4 the forecast is looking great
If anyone needs anything or has any questions feel free to email me directly on williamitchell@hotmail.co.uk or call or text me on 07855741480
Hope to see lots of you on Saturday.
Will

Hi patrick. The NOR will be published on Friday 1st July. But to let you know, the first warning signal will be at 11.55 on Saturday 9th with 3 races scheduled on both days. Looking forward to seeing you soon

Hi Jay, nice to hear that your planning on attending. If there's anything that you need between now and then then please get in touch and we'll try and get it sorted. The club will be open on the Friday night for anyone that is planning on arriving then.

Hi Simon. We have a few young sailors at the club that may be interested. I'll put something up on the club's Facebook page.

Yes, camping is permitted on the club lawn. There is a small fee (£5 I think) payable to the club. There's plenty of room so you won't need to book.

Lois an me are coming.

Try giving Dave Chisholm at Caronology a call. He's a good bloke.

For those who may not have noticed the previous mistake... That should have read "Lois, and Lois's"........... DAM YOU AUTO CORRRECT !!!

Louis and I will be there. So will Patrick, Louis's daughter Mia is going to crew for him.

After many last minute failed attempts to turn up at several events this year, I am happy to announce that Lois and I will also be at ripon. Yeadon on Sunday.... We'll wait and see. Hopefully

All good relevant points Ed and Simon, it's great to see so much discussion developing on this topic. In my honest opinion, I don't think it should really matter if an event in the north would bolster the numbers at Burton week. Surely the most important question is as to whether it would lead to a reduced turnout?

Great comments Chadders all very constructive and very valid, it's great to hear that these things are being discussed at a higher level and to know that there is good representation for all regions . I think that Tom and the committee deserve a medal for delivering a championship after being let down by the pre arranged host club. Thanks too to John M for sharing that information to a wider audience, as I'm sure I won't be the only one that was unaware of those facts.  I agree with you that a survey  is probably the best way to go, although I'm surprised at how much discussion is already taking place on the subject. So maybe this forum is the way to go ??

Great contribution John, I think that an online discussion is the best way to solicit the views of the national fleet (although I accept that's only my opinion) as many of us may not always be able to attend Burton week, and as such, the AGM. This was the case for us this year as it clashed with our family holiday. I'm certain that there will be many 12's that are still being actively club sailed around the country that don't attend open meetings. And finding out why not and then trying to meet their needs so as to see them return to the open meetings and champs circuit must surely be as valuable as recruiting new blood into the class. I take your point about the need for solid contacts and commitment from different clubs. But in my opinion, most clubs in the north would be only too happy to host a nationals as it helps them to maintain or even to raise their own profile. Sunderland (again I accept my bias) is one such club that has a very small active dinghy fleet. But as club it's capable of hosting very big championships. I'm certain that this is true for the other coastal clubs too. For instance. I'd love to go 12 racing at Abersoch... 
I'll take it on to collate a list of solid contacts and potential introductions to the northern clubs on the east coast and then forward that on to the chairman. Maybe other members could get together and do the same for their region. 
I'd to be at an AGM that's spoilt for choice when voting on a venue. But that's just my thoughts on the subject.
will

Hi Vince, I'm please that you've replied. I apologise if  you find my remarks offensive. But as a northern 12 sailor yourself, I find your earlier comments both surprising and disappointing. I would have thought that you would be banging the drum for a northern venue. We recently held the ANYEC trophy at Sunderland which was very successful with 11 boats attending. That's One third of the Burton week fleet by number. There are several of us up here in the north that are working very hard to improve the turnout of boats at our events, and we need all of the promotion and representation that we can get. Surely this can only be a good thing. As for What 12 sailing is all about ? I have a very simple outlook that regardless of what class one happens to be sailing in. racing is racing, and developing a maximum championship attendance from a national fleet requires that your nationals circumnavigate the whole country and visit many venues that are far flung from the regular south and East Coast haunts. I have always travelled far and wide to venues to go sailing. But there is no good reason that I can see why the north could not host a a Burton week in the future. Abersoch, phwelli Sunderland Dalgety bay Filey, Brid North Berwick etc etc. you live up here so I'm certain you know from first hand expense. The most important thing is delivering the quality of racing that the fleet ( the whole fleet) expects. Once again. My sincere apologies if I have in any way offended you as that was not my intention. I would very much like to hear the views of the other 12 sailors that are north of the midlands and our Scottish friends too. We can only develop and swell our ranks if we communicate openly and with transparency.I invite contributions anyone may wish to put forward.

Vince, thanks for sharing your views on sailing in the North Sea. It's exactly this kind of narrow minded biggoted response that perpetuates the north south divide amongst sailors. There are many venues that are actually in the north (which let me assure you, both Hunstanton and Felixstowe clearly are not) that are both suitable and capable of hosting major championships of fleets of 70-100 or even more boats. North Berwick has just hosted the solo national championship. There were nearly 80 boats. In 2002/3 the fireball  worlds were hosted in Shetland, again over 70 boats. Sunderland hosted the topper nationals in 2003 that's well over 100 boats. Your views do nothing to help improve the numbers of boats attending burton week and other such champs as they only serve to condem sailing in the north. I challenge you to find a better race area anywhere in the country that's not one sided depending on the tide, accessible at all states of tide. Launchable at all states of tide like Sunderland is. And it's not the only venue by any stretch of the imagination. The North Sea is the North Sea no matter whereabouts you strand personally, I'd much rather launch my boat off a sandy beach than a shingle one. But that's just my preference. Lois and I travelled from Sunderland to pevensey last year and Lois had work on the weds morning which meant a c long drive back. Where is the continued incentive in your comments that encourage the continued attendance of sailors in the north if individuals like yourself see fit to not only dictate but also "do down" the chances of us ever having the chance to attend a burton week that actually doesn't involve a 6-8 hour drive to the south. I welcome the views from other northern sailors on this topic.