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#1
General National 12 chat / Trent Valley Open Meeting Sund...
Last post by paul turner - 19 Apr 2024, 12:46The TVSC open meeting is on 19th May; the races will be at 14:05, 15:05 and 17:05 starting five minutes after the club handicap series races. We will have a break at 16:00 for the legendary Trent Valley tea but how many would want lunch? We need to know soonest to help the steward plan for catering.
#2
General National 12 chat / Hunts Open is on the 20th Apri...
Last post by grazz - 06 Apr 2024, 08:55The Hunts Open is on the 20th April.
It would be great to see some N12s at Hunts on the Saturday 20th April.
The club will be open from around 08:00.
Venue: Hunts Sailing Club, Harrison Way, St Ives, Cambridgeshire, PE27 4YA
Date: Saturday 20th April 2024
First race: 11:00
Number of races: 4, 3 to count
Entry fee: £20
Sailing Instructions: https://huntssc.org.uk/index.php/race/sailing-instructions
Contact details: Paul Jefferies N3394 Annie Oakley - message me via email blaze655@googlemail.com or Facebook.
It would be great to see some N12s at Hunts on the Saturday 20th April.
The club will be open from around 08:00.
Venue: Hunts Sailing Club, Harrison Way, St Ives, Cambridgeshire, PE27 4YA
Date: Saturday 20th April 2024
First race: 11:00
Number of races: 4, 3 to count
Entry fee: £20
Sailing Instructions: https://huntssc.org.uk/index.php/race/sailing-instructions
Contact details: Paul Jefferies N3394 Annie Oakley - message me via email blaze655@googlemail.com or Facebook.
#3
General National 12 chat / Re: 2024 PY handicaps
Last post by smilie - 26 Mar 2024, 12:08Quote from: RichardW on 20 Mar 2024, 10:25I see that the PY number for the modern N12 has increased by 6 points, but none of the older boats have changed. We don't have enough data at our club to get meaningful data for just a few older boats so would it make sense to revise the older boats by +6 points too?It's interesting what you say Richard, I wonder if you club is the norm for 12's sailing at club level. With the majority being older boats and very few of the newer designs racing at club level. Resulting most handicap returns being for 'slower' boats has meant the handicap has started to reflect the situation at your club.
How does the current handicap compare to the suggested older boat handicaps?
#4
General National 12 chat / Re: 2024 PY handicaps
Last post by grazz - 22 Mar 2024, 08:28Richard
Good question. Up to this point the National 12 handicap had generally been reducing. The reducing handicap would seem to tally with the steady improvement in speed of the new boats and developments in rigs etc. I think this is first increase in handicap and isn't obviously linked to any changes within the class. It's therefore an interesting question as to whether we should change the historic guidance. Changing history doesn't quite seem right but then we need to view that hsitory in the context of the current published handicaps.
I think this is something for the National 12 Committee to discuss. I'll suggest it is raised.
Good question. Up to this point the National 12 handicap had generally been reducing. The reducing handicap would seem to tally with the steady improvement in speed of the new boats and developments in rigs etc. I think this is first increase in handicap and isn't obviously linked to any changes within the class. It's therefore an interesting question as to whether we should change the historic guidance. Changing history doesn't quite seem right but then we need to view that hsitory in the context of the current published handicaps.
I think this is something for the National 12 Committee to discuss. I'll suggest it is raised.
#5
General National 12 chat / 2024 PY handicaps
Last post by RichardW - 20 Mar 2024, 10:25I see that the PY number for the modern N12 has increased by 6 points, but none of the older boats have changed. We don't have enough data at our club to get meaningful data for just a few older boats so would it make sense to revise the older boats by +6 points too?
#6
Boats / Re: N28 Libertas
Last post by HRO - 19 Mar 2024, 10:13An update on the life of N28 Libertas from owner Henry Crawly, March 2024:
I offer an alternative brief history of this vintage boat built in 1936 for my father Jim Crawley (died 2003) who to the best of my knowledge acquired it from Uffa Fox or a fellow boat builder, and sailed it before and after the war in Burton Cups. It was named Libertas after his mother's name.
The boat has been at Blakeney SC since early 1950's, in which my family all learned to sail. She now sits at my home near Blakeney, but hasn't been in the water for 20 years. She has the original wooden mast and cotton sails, and a covered transom unlike N1 Gipsy.
I only offer this information having checked out the website, and was surprised to see an entry for N28 by Ken Goddard who had tracked N28 to Paul Handley who had restored her in 2008, or a boat with the same name and number, which is mildly confusing. Boats change names and registrations sometimes, but l would be intrigued to understand this mix-up. I'm happy to provide photos if of interest, and more importantly would be happy to hear from any restoration enthusiast who might need a project, and the free offer of N28. It will otherwise sit in our barn feeling a bit unloved. The boat is in pretty good condition but not yet in racing trim!
Henry Crawley henrycrawley53@gmail.com
I offer an alternative brief history of this vintage boat built in 1936 for my father Jim Crawley (died 2003) who to the best of my knowledge acquired it from Uffa Fox or a fellow boat builder, and sailed it before and after the war in Burton Cups. It was named Libertas after his mother's name.
The boat has been at Blakeney SC since early 1950's, in which my family all learned to sail. She now sits at my home near Blakeney, but hasn't been in the water for 20 years. She has the original wooden mast and cotton sails, and a covered transom unlike N1 Gipsy.
I only offer this information having checked out the website, and was surprised to see an entry for N28 by Ken Goddard who had tracked N28 to Paul Handley who had restored her in 2008, or a boat with the same name and number, which is mildly confusing. Boats change names and registrations sometimes, but l would be intrigued to understand this mix-up. I'm happy to provide photos if of interest, and more importantly would be happy to hear from any restoration enthusiast who might need a project, and the free offer of N28. It will otherwise sit in our barn feeling a bit unloved. The boat is in pretty good condition but not yet in racing trim!
Henry Crawley henrycrawley53@gmail.com
#7
Boats / Re: N3484 Total Perspective Vo...
Last post by grazz - 29 Feb 2024, 08:29N3484 Total Perspective Vortex was the star of the National 12 stand at the 2024 RYA Dinghy Show. She was apparently runner up in the concours d'elegance. This is a photo of her on the stand during Dave Hollom's dinghy design talk. There is more about the show here
#8
Boats / Re: N3484 Dream Not Found
Last post by grazz - 18 Feb 2024, 08:42Now re-named Total Perspective Vortex and painted purple.
Here are the photos of the renovation in progress. The beautiful paint job was done by Phil Scott.
Here are the photos of the renovation in progress. The beautiful paint job was done by Phil Scott.
#9
General National 12 chat / Slot gaskets
Last post by rolandw - 06 Feb 2024, 12:00Hasn't been discussed here for 10 years or so but:
- To overlap (stick separate gasket mylar down both sides overlapped by 5mm in the middle) or not (ie just one strip cut down the middle)?
- To cut a "V" at the aft end (self-emptying is the theory) or don't bother ('cause it doesn't actually work)?
- Glue (ie CT1) or Double-sided tape (eg 3M VHB)?
#10
General National 12 chat / Re: Northampton, Dinghy Shack ...
Last post by NTOACertification - 06 Nov 2023, 07:06You can view some long range Photos from Sunday at Pitsford here https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjB2dXi
A few more will be added
Kevan
A few more will be added
Kevan
