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General Boards => General National 12 chat => Topic started by: rick perkins on 05 Oct 2006, 02:09

Title: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 05 Oct 2006, 02:09
Nice bit of coverage in the mag ... I havn't read it yet but the pictures look nice.

Rick
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Jimbo42 on 05 Oct 2006, 02:31
Hi Rick! Any chance of an online link on this one?

Jim N3130 (Why not wood?)
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: THG on 05 Oct 2006, 02:42
Talking of which, Y&Y are updating their annual review of the racing classes - is this being taken care of for the 12s?

Kean
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 05 Oct 2006, 04:17
The review is in this weeks magazine - you will have to go and buy a copy.

The Racing CLasses Review is being done now - here is the link.

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23571

Usually completed by the secretary - Musto Skiff one is done already.

Rick
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 05 Oct 2006, 08:32
Read it now - very posative bit of PR for the class ...
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Antony (Guest) on 06 Oct 2006, 08:41
And very decent of Tom to take the time away from work to do what was basically a piece of class PR.  I know they are in the business but I think that sort of stuff is far more beneficial to the class than to P&B.

Antony
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: THG on 06 Oct 2006, 09:50
If the RYA / ISAF changes mean we drop our National name perhaps we could become the P&B 12 - aka Musto Skiff   ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: James Taylor on 06 Oct 2006, 01:19
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  Cornwall don't you just love it !!!!!!!!!!!!

Drove all the way into town at lunch time to get the NEW YACHTS and YACHTING went in to a well known newsagents and they have got the old one out >:( . Asked the assitent if they had the new one and was told if they haven't got it out, then it is not out yet.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Will have to wait until I got to Falmouth tomorrow now.


Not Fair :X

James & Emma
3304 & 3402
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Border Control (Guest) on 06 Oct 2006, 02:25
James,

Just think yourself lucky, most places you pay to get into, Cornwall charges you to get out..........

I suppose that at least you get your passports stamped though!

Off to get new knees and than a new boat.

John
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 06 Oct 2006, 02:27
Has the boat in the test got transom flaps?

Are these used on modern boats?

Rick
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: James Taylor on 06 Oct 2006, 02:47
Boarder Control

Would like to point out that you don't pay to get out of Cornwall you pay to get in to Devon but if you go the otherway is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Border Control (Guest) on 06 Oct 2006, 03:41
James,

heard on the local radio that the Cornish language version of Y&Y is being held in Custom - they believe that the article on Twelve's is subversive material and something that the Duchy ( and especially Saltash, sorry Tommo and Kath ) shouldn't be exposed to, too much excitement and all that!

HM Customs & Revenue
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: James Taylor on 06 Oct 2006, 03:59
Thats ok then I only want a english version as I am from Devon and can't read cornish !!
James
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: John Meadowcroft on 06 Oct 2006, 08:03
Tom's boat does have transom flaps.  The idea is to make sure that the water only goes out rather than comes in at an inopportune moment.  You don't need them apart from at the inopportune moments.....  When double bottoms first appeared nobody had them, but experience at inopportune moments saw them quickly gain popularity.  The other thing that is good to have is some garden netting to keep the mainsheet from being washed out the back of the boat.

meds.
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 06 Oct 2006, 08:31
I see - I had wondered as when we launch we get loads of water in as I tend to get in over the stern ...

Hinges as the top or sides?

Rick
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: John Meadowcroft on 06 Oct 2006, 08:36
very lightweight plastic and a basic adhesive or some duck tape as the hinge.  Read the rules about how close to the hull skin they can get.  From memory they must not be closer than about an inch.  This is to stop you turning your transom flap into an artificial way of making your boat longer...  Ie a National 12 with a six foot planing surface out the back that the owner wants to call a transom flap.
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 09 Oct 2006, 07:32
I has some 3mm perspex sheet in the garage and so I have just cut out some transom flaps - they weigh a ton (well 300g).

I can't put them on the back of my boat.  :-/

What thickness sheet should I be out shopping for?

Rick

Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: John Meadowcroft on 09 Oct 2006, 08:06
My transom flaps are made out of sail window material.  they dont weigh very much!
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: rick perkins on 09 Oct 2006, 08:12
How do you keep them shut or fo you just work on the premise that the water will shut them?
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Lukepiewalker on 09 Oct 2006, 08:47
With the double floor you don't want to impede drainage out, so probably elastic free would be the way to go. I've seen people use margarine tub lids, light and cheap to replace....
I suppose you could get some cool carbon ones knocked up... 8)
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Jimbo42 on 09 Oct 2006, 09:24
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Lukepiewalker on 09 Oct 2006, 09:29
It depends on circumstances. Rick says he gets a lot of water in when he mounts up via the transom, which presumably doesn't help when trying to escape the beach. Once your moving it isn't as much of an issue, but there will always be certain circumstances where you want to prevent water coming in through the back.
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Jimbo41 on 10 Oct 2006, 08:13
Thanks Lukepie

 O.k. we'll cross that bridge when we come to it...  ;D Can't think how to modify the design though. Perhaps one can do without, just by shifting one's weight around in the boat  so as to encourage draining ?

Jim N3130 (Wood - plain, simple, effective)
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: John Murrell (Guest) on 10 Oct 2006, 09:35
Speaking from experience having had four Twelves with open tramsoms so far with a fifth having just arrived in the Ivybridge boatyard, I have never had a problem! The thing to remember is where the crew weight should be in the boat; get that right and water in the back of the boat simlpy washes out! I do argee with Meds in that you do have to be careful that the various strings don't wash out the back but really thats no different to getting them stuck in the bailers ??)

The only real benefit in a tramsom / transom flaps is that it helps keep the water in the boat after a capsize,sinking it slightly and hence making it more stable to recover and get going again - moral of that is don't capsize!

John
Title: Re: Y&Y Boat review of N12
Post by: Jimbo41 on 10 Oct 2006, 10:01