Wow just read that myself :o
Cannot believe that they think that, I have only been sailing dinghies since 04 and we have a wayfarer at our club and have never really looked twice at them, I think they make good cruising boats for pottering around mounts bay in and floating tents I believe. I have never been in a wayfarer - not planning on it but since we have had our national 12 we (i can vouch for james too) have never looked back, you get so much fun out them and no worries about peski spinnakers and ok I have at times thought I could have done with pampers nappies but the national 12 should never be knocked and is definately under estimated.
As we are learning more and more about the boat, sailing N12's just keeps getting better!!!
Since Burton Week, although we didnt sail all races, we have come back and are starting to get in front of people we were always behind and beating them over the water and on handicap, they even thought we were trying to rig the results!!! on that note it goes to show how much going away to the 12 events can really help. Would be excellent to get the south west series up, running and healthy. James and I will certainly be attending SW series and N12 events - hoping to make it to Graftham - will feel like Lands and to John o'Groats - literally :P.
Emma ;D
(& James)
N3304 & N3402
Hi Emma and Kean!
Do you have the online link to the Y&Y report?
Jim N3130 (I want to find the chink in their armour to stick the knife in and twist a little.... ;D)
Hi Jim
here is the link
www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23552
Emma :)
N3304 n N3202
Thanks Emma,
Seen the article. In my opinion the remark was totally gratuitous and unfounded. As for bragging about how much people drank, drink is like s*x and money - if you don't have enough, you talk about it....Now for the knife ;D
It would seem that not many people want to attend their nationals - only 23 boats the past two years. I'm not surprised - who would be seen dead in an oversized ironing board (or bored???) :P :P :P :P.
Jim N3130 (The crew of an Admiral's cupper, once succumed to a Wayfairer's desire. He said it's a sin, but now that I'm in (the boat), could you point her a few degrees higher? ) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Look at who wrote the report and then remember that this is a similar name (if not the same!) as someone who sold a Merlin because it was too exciting and returned to his 'competitive' Wayfarer! I suupose the saving grace for a Wayfarer is that they are perportedly lighter than a GP14!
And as to how much they drank - lightweights!!
I think it is because we had better prizes than them and definately have more fun ;D
like Jim said they had a dreadful turn out for their nationals - blimey what a miserable bunch :( :(
James and I were T-boned by a wayfarer once in our old merlin was like being hit by an aircraft carrier the great lumpy things!!!
National twelves - Tiny but mighty - thats what I say
Emma
N3304 n N3402
I think you will find the comments have now been removed...
Jane
Well it would appear that the rest of us have a similar feelings on the subject of Wayfarers. I mean who would want to try and race one of those things that came out of the ark, or more likely from Swallows and Amazons. Fantastic if you are Arnold Sshwarzenegggggg whatever his name is when you come to dragging the beast out of the water but absolutely useless for anything else.
Disgruntled from Chipping Norton
My boat history is as follows:
No boat [1966-2003]
Lark (not in class - small mast, no spinnaker) [2003-4]
Wanderer [2005]
N12 [2006]
The wanderer is a smaller, lighter, wayfarer. We did the "swallows and amazon's" thing in the wanderer - sailing all 4 of us to peel island on coniston, we also had 6 in on one occasion. This is what it is good for. I never got a positive comment about the look of the wanderer, or the look of respect (underserved in my case) I often get when the N12 is seen or mentioned.
I think the Lark was a good boat, but the old ones are *very* fragile (being made of very thin GRP) and not good value for money. I had two hulls in the two seasons!
I've begun to learn a little bit about sailing since I got the N12 ;-)
Philip
N3253
for those of you who didnt see it on Y&Y before they took it off
www.wayfarer.org.uk/index.php?id=25&cmd=news
Emma :)
N3304 n N3402
For those of you who either do not believe or have not seen a wayfarer.
The wayfarer class offers a boat tent for hire, and people go racing in these boats !!!!!! :'( :'(
See link below if you go not believe that these are the people who didn't want to camp at Starcross because of the noise, they could have sailed up the river and camped and then sail back down for the race oopps they would have already raced. ( race to take down the tent and sail / race back to the yacht club)
http://www.wayfarer.org.uk/index.php?id=16&cmd=page
James
3304 & 3402
N12 Rules (We were the development of all)
Yeah, the author is a local blowhard who has a real chip on his shoulders about 12s - wrote a bit about 12s not being 'proper boats' on the club website a while back (methinks he omitted the word 'fishing'...).
Probably suffering from a hurt ego as if you're 'racing' a wayfarer and you're under a 60 and not in your first year of sailing you might as well be walking around with a big sign 'No Ability Whatsoever' above your head...... ;D As John mentioned he regularly buys other classes (merlin, RS400 and Hornet at the last count) and quite comprehensively proves his lack of ability before hurriedly selling them and telling everybody that the boat wasn't set up right...................... :P
Grief guys, don't you think you're over-reacting? Everyone can't like the same shape boats...
[says the man who's currently sailing a bizarre knitting needle with a point at each end, presumably because the designer couldn't work out which way the boat should go...]
Ooooh raw nerves!
Don't be so sensitive, it s horses for courses about what boat you buy /sail. and hopefully each has its own desirable features.
Ive owned 2 wanderers (20 years apart), a GP14 duffin top of the shop, 2 lasers 16 years apart and two national 12 in the last three years.
I bought my first wanderer at the boat show 1981 principally to "cruise" having raced folkboats as a child. got bored v quickly with this but trained up "the boss" v quickly and purchased a new GP 14 to race. This was even heavier than previous boat, and frankly not as pretty (wanderers are pretty). I preferred the w to the gp. Boss went off to do other things so lasered and sailboarded for a bit. Then bought wanderer #2 to teach daughter to sail, moved on to 12 and an old laser.
I have sailed wayfarers occasionally (they must be heavier than a GPby 33%).they just feel Bigger similar to an albacore.
I wanted to give my first 12 away as it was" a little different" to previous bateaux but having persvered love em to bits.
But point is people are all individual and buy boats for different reasons, and despite what you may think may be very able and quick sailors. Ask the meadowcrofts!
And despite our N12) obvious merit at the bar stakes we're probably little different to other classes.
Roger
They still have the original on their website, so I wrote to them.
"Sirs!
The remarks regarding the National 12 boats in the report of the Starcross meeting by the race secretary can only be considered not to further the "entent cordiale" between the two classes, nor can it reflect well on the Wayfareer. Hardly fair? The remarks have been removed from the latest version on Y&Y but still persist on this website. Might I suggest that the article be similarly edited on this website?
Thanks,
Jim Bretherick, N3130 National 12 sailor and prowd of it!"
Most amusing.
I had to get the 12s at Henley report on Y&Y edited earlier this week after I sent the wrong version. The 12 website version is unedited. Can you spot the difference?
I would not worry about one sad individual wayfarer sailor. I am sure anyone who reads it would cringe.
john
Not overreacting Jim, just enjoying a cathartic hatchet job ;) having had to sail against this guy in the handicap fleet over the last few years... He's of the shout made up rules at beginners and luff the leaders of the fleet behing school of club sailors - gets on my wick to have to be polite to such people week in week out at the club...... ::)
[quote by=JimC (Guest) link=Blah.cgi?b=Cool,m=1159436561,s=13 date=1159491369]Grief guys, don't you think you're over-reacting? Everyone can't like the same shape boats...
[says the man who's currently sailing a bizarre knitting needle with a point at each end, presumably because the designer couldn't work out which way the boat should go...][/quote]
Well said Jim
I must admit that I am quite happy sailing my squashed egg box
Yeeeees as you said it's horses for courses. We met a guy down at Rock (Cornwall) who has a 12 and loved our Crusader, but he now sails a B14......WHAT A BOAT!!!!!! We took it out...loved it and we are getting one. We will keep the 12 ( I love her too much to part) but the B14 IS awsome. BTW I learned to sail in a wayfarer and for a while it was all I ever wanted.....after buying a 12 (about 5 years ago) and meeting my Partner Mike (who's sailed 12's and Merlins for 40+ years) The 12 was the ONLY boat for me. And still is to some extent, but the buzz of the B14 is something I can't live without now!
Janey
Hey icecreamman!
If they made a B14 look like squashed eggbox, would you want one?
Janey - you two-timer! ;)
Jim N3130 (at hombe bith da Flu) :B
To be honest Jim no I would not, but I was merely quoting the Aircraft Carriers' way of describing our boats. At least we know ours look like boats and do not have attachments for tents
;D ;D ;D
Another point Jim as we are on the subject of boats that do not look like boats. There was an episode of Top Gear a couple of months ago (I guess you will have missed it) where the team had to dress their cars up and make them get across part of Rudyard Lake. If you saw it you will understand what I mean about the similarity between the Top Gear attempts to make cars that will work on water and a Wayfarer. If you did not, well Clarksons 4x4 sank, Hamsters immensely overweight dormobile sank and Captain Slow won with a Triumph Herald with a Mirror rig on it. There must be some sort of moral in there and I think it is we sail boats that are actually boats and Wayfarers ...... well I will leave that to your imagination.
::)
yeah at least Longboats are boat shaped
:D
I used to be a member of Rudyard Lake Sailing Club!! so I ws intrigued to see the Top Gear Show. Actually Captain slow's boat was better than some of the boats there!!!
LOL
Janey
..................but in answer to you question Jimbo. N 12 's, are not egg box shaped as far as I can see. Egg Boxes are Egg box shaped. I find it hard to imagine why N12's were compared to that! I do get a bit het up about people "dissing" other boats. A boat is a boat and whether you're the owner of a Cornish Shrimper, a GP14 a Wayfarer a N12 or a B14 or any other boat for that matter YOUR boat is always going to be the "best". All boats have something unique to offer to their owners, that's what makes the sport so interesting and vaired. We in the deveopment classes think we are the elite, where as the one designers probably feel the same! I'm happy to hop in any model of boat and have a go, then give my judgement based on the way I feel and the way the boat feels when I sail it. And the B14 certainly did'nt feel like an aircraft carrier, felt more like a bloomin Ferrari.....which is why I'm gettin one!!!!
Janey
Had a chat with the 5th place wayfarer guys when they came back from Starcross - they were nothing but complimentary about the 12s they saw (up till then their exposure to 12s was my old boat) and the folk they met.
Personally, a Waybarge isn't for me, but i must say a well sailed one is pretty quick round the track. I got thrashed out of sight by these guys on Saturday and nearly always have good races with them in the absence of other 12s (Stop press - Bough Beech fleet doubled! Wide Blue Yonder is now up here!!). I'm sure they'd be interested in sailing a 12 if they could - unfortunately Mike "heave my belly over the side when it's windy" Bryant just wouldn't fit on his own, let alone with his skipper!
W/F fleet is quality at the front end as well - a certain Mike Macnamara doesn't get it all his own way up there - obviously the time he spent in twelves has only served to help him sail these battleships faster.
I'll be race officering the Bough Beech Wayfarer Open next month - anyone with an ego over bruised by all the prejudiced waffle on the Wayfarer site can send a tenner witha suggestion of how the 12s can get their revenge and I'll be sure to act on it.
Spot on.
Richard, and Barry
Sorry to be schoolmaamish:
We are getting over it. We are also enjoying getting steamed up about it. :K) That's what a forum's for. :P :P If you don't like what you read, you have several options, one of which would be to start a thread which captivates more interest ;D. Go ahead and try it... Be proactive rather than retroactive.....
By the way, North Korea's nothing compared to Guanantanamo. (Badda BOOM excepting) By the way, a careful examination of the discussion would reveal a surprising amount of liberality re. other boat classes, but of course a strong preference for just one :D :D :D Only natural I guess and a bit like the week anthropic principle. (We are here because.....)