As work continues with my crusader and i now have a centr board that goes down even if it is not so keen to come up again. i would be interest to hear peoples ideas of how to stop myself sliding about on the new varish like torvil or dean. Whats best sand sugar or none slip tape and hows the best way to apply it, or does anybody have any other bright ideas.
Tape's good Angus.
Passion Pudding's got neoprene pads all over her to stop me sliding around. Sand and/or sugar will really make a mess of knees, wet/dry suits and other skin. Just ask Jammie Dodger - he put the pads on Passion Pudding.
I didn't realise you were old enough to remember Torvile & Dean. ;D
Cheers!
Jim.
Wax! Lots of it!!
Dr Zogs sex wax. available at all good surf stores. Different 'flavours' (smells) available too!
Angus,
I do one of two things, preference is to get hold of grey sharp sand, dry it in the oven and then sieve it using Liz's best flour sieve to get it really fine and then sprinkle it onto freshly painted WET paint - use loads. Allow paint to cure for about an hour and then Henry off the suplus and put another coat of paint on to seal. Magic finish, not aggressive on the knees and is very nonslip.
The other way is to paint and then sprinkle granulated sugar on. Allow to cure and then pour hot water over. The sugar will then disolve and leave a non slip surface.
The choice is yours depending on wether you like building sandcastles or have a sweet tooth.........
Yoda
John - assuming you did that for Holy Grail (my wood Crusader) - then I'd confirm this is good non slip and no problems with wear on knees etc
Have slipped off the back decks once ;D
Kean
Kean,
I did that at the weekend too. Any cures? I thought about putting rubber pads on my drysuit in the appropriate places....
Yoda, youda not wanna make anya comment?
Jim.
Now there's a thought - sex wax on your backside to stop you slipping...............................does 'er in doors know about this?
I accidentally came across a possible alternative a few years ago which I've never felt quite brave enough to try for real. That is to varnish/paint the normal way, and then when the surface is very tacky apply peel ply. When fully cured remove peel ply. I'm sure you can guess the accident, and it certainly seemed to have a lot of potential for a less aggresive rough surface. It seems to me it ought to be a very neat solution for a varnished interior especially.
Janey,
Thanks for the advice, I'll keep monitoring. As far as I know, wood can be kept from having osmosis problems ??)
Jim.
No problem Jim.....my concern (as an owner of a beautiful wooden boat also) would be the water causing the wood to blacken and go rotten, as opposed to osmosis...or are they one and the same thing??
Janey
If you cannot get hold of the famous Dr Zoggs Sex Wax, there is always Kangaroo Poo!!
Angus
I have some wax and will bring it on Sunday for you to try. Roly and I use it all the time.
Roly Mo
PS How's the gunwhale?
Thanks for all your suggestions. I rather like the sugar idea as that suits my sweet tooth, but the way things are going I am not going to have time to do anything before Sunday so it may have to be the wax.
As for the gunnel the worms are still fir and healthy but the present plan is to wait till it drops off because I am going to have to start work on my other boat (not a 12 ) if it going to be ready this summer. But do keeps your eyes out for a posting how do you get rid of worms in the gunnel then you will know I'm onto phase 2 ::)
Angus
- other Boat?!?!!? I thought you were a true blue National 12 sailor and nothing else would fit the bill????
Jim
:-/
I'm not really I've toyed around with toys and other things but the other boat is somthing for the whole family to get her who does not get her feet wet into a boat it must be slightly more stable than the QE2 with tennis courts bars etc., ??)
Just thought I would let you know what happened. Was going to try the sugar option sweat tooth and all that but realised I had not left enough time to ensure vaarnish was dry before Annandale so went for some tape that Mark Simpson had given me and stuck it in more or less the same places that it had been stuck before (No signs of rot by the way Jimbo so no worries there). It was actually a bit more of the less (are you keeping up with this cause I'm starting to get confused) cause I didn't have enough tape. unfortunately I discovered among other things that where different from my Cina Doll where i put my feet was one of them. As a result along side rope ends that pulled through fairleads and tiller extensions getting stuck under gunnels and selfbailers with a reverse gear I also fell about the place like......? Probably the best place for my feet would have been in my mouth which would have saved the fleet (Miniscule as it was) and the poor tender ears of my crew the expletives that rang across the water.
Today my crew and I were out with the varnish and sugar (it must be bad first time he has ever helped with the boat although he did ask how much he was getting payed, I offered him a 1% stake in the boat he turned it down, he must ge this intelligence from his motherside).
Keep your ears pinned for the ext tail in this sorry sarga.
Angoose,
You should have stuck the tape to your boots then it will have always been in the right place. (more words of wisdom from a mole)
Having just removated my National N1657 for the second time I have again used sugar.
Last time I applied this to the interior battens and a strip along the side decks, these worked well and the extra thickness of varnish on the batten stopped the wood from becoming bare on these high wear area.
To apply, mask off the desired area, with varnish still wet sprinkle whe sugar onto the surface and leave to dry. Apply a second coat of varnish to build up the 'rough surface, and do not drush out the varnish.
When sailing the boat the first couple of times the sugar gets dissolved away leaving a rough finish that does last. there is no damage to the boat or the sailing gear.
I have never used sand, but would have thought it would damage sail gear and always finding loose particles in the bottom of the boat scratching the rest of the varnish.
Hope this is of used
Brian Kitching
N3439 and N1657
I've used both sand and sugar
Sand is excellent as a non slip but can add 1 1/2 to 2 kg to the weight (ok if you're underweight) . Generally it doesn't work loose but it is very abrasive, can be hard on kit and is best used on the cockpit floor.
Beach sand is ok but should be well washed and dried first.
Aesthetically, it is difficult to get an even looking covering when using varnish but it's fine in paint. (I've found the non slip additives that International sell to be not grippy enough in a small boat)
If varnishing, sugar looks better, works well and is easy to re-apply.
Matrix Composites in Bristol sell a paint called deckline, which is soft rubber particles in resin. Its a bit fun to actually paint on, but the final grip is excellent and doesnt eat your knees...
Check out the Y&Y forum there's a thread on grip there too - much similar but some other products are mentioned too. One nice set of pics of grip applied by aresol to a wooden boat.
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