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Title: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Valhalla on 07 Dec 2007, 11:18
Its a beautiful boat & the website has made a lot of effort to provide a lot of information about the many different hulls designs available.
I'm an Offshore racer & currently crew for a J105 and also owned hobiecats (in the caribbean!!)
I live in London and will probably do most of my sailing on the Thames near Hammersmith or in the Welsh Harp reservoir in Wembley but my real passion, time allowing, is sea sailing which will most likely be around the Solent.
After getting used to the boat, I will probably would want to start racing it but not all out competetively
Advice please.
Regards
Nigel
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: MikeDay on 07 Dec 2007, 12:03
Welcome to the Twelves.  It's not clear from your message whether you're planning on buying new, s/h double-bottomed, or something older.  Until we know this, it's hard to give detailed advice.  However, if you're looking to sail mostly on the Thames near Hammersmith - that means Twickenham or Ranelagh, and I know you'd be most welcome at either.  You'll need to get something that will tack well, otherwise you'll be frustrated.  To be honest, most Twelves go pretty well on the sea, though some will plane quicker than others.

Come down to Ranelagh on the morning of Sunday 6th Jan and you can have a look at a range of modern boats that will be there for the first meeting of the New year.

Mike D
N3496

Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Valhalla on 07 Dec 2007, 12:32
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: THG on 07 Dec 2007, 12:55
You won't get a DB for that sort of price, but there are many good single bottom (Admiral Cup) available.  Also there are some that are not yet on the list but will be soon, Fuzzy Duck will be up for sale soon.  You could try posting a wanted advert and see what pops up.  Something like a Crusader design could be a compromise for both river & sea, but there are better options if for each - there are some older vintages which would go well on the river - why not buy 2 boats and keep one in London & one by the sea!

THG
N3339
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: MikeDay on 07 Dec 2007, 03:16
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: davidgr (Guest) on 07 Dec 2007, 03:36
I notice Stumpy is on the for sale list.  Was/is a pretty fast boat that would go well on the sea in the right price range.  Will still goes pretty well inland in his Baggy.
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Jeremy C on 07 Dec 2007, 06:48
if you want to try out a twleve before Xmas then you could pop down the M4 to Burghfield Sailing Club, we have a few differnet designs based at the club and a bunch of enthusiastic members who would give you a ride so that you could compare single bottomed to double bottomed etc
if you are interested just drop me a mail
[mail]jcdesigns42@btinternet.com[/mail]

BSC webiste which has directions on it under information button on the left://www.burghfieldsailing.org
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: rick perkins on 07 Dec 2007, 11:53
[quote by=Valhalla link=Blah.cgi?b=Cool1,m=1197026318,s=2 date=1197030732]
Probably another consideration is that I'm 80kg & my partner is about 70-75 kg but I will probably attempt to sail single-handed in lighter winds.[/quote]

At that weight you will no doubt be able to have lots of fun in a 12 but you will struggle to be competitive, I don't know if that matteres to you.

Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: FuzzyDuck on 08 Dec 2007, 09:24
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Tim L on 08 Dec 2007, 12:50
23.5kg... I didn't know they had pygmys in Essex.... ;D

But agree, crusader is an excellent choice for a first 12 and there's a selection on the 2nd hand list.
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: FuzzyDuck on 08 Dec 2007, 02:37
Maybe thats the weight I want to be!!!  

Simon
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Valhalla on 10 Dec 2007, 01:25
Thanks for all the advice fellas.  Will do some trails as advised
But feel free to continue
Cheers
Nigel
N*** to be announced
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: darebarry on 10 Dec 2007, 04:06
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Valhalla on 10 Dec 2007, 04:22
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Valhalla on 10 Dec 2007, 04:33
Hi Rick N3490
What do you mean by not being competitive at that weight... too heavy??... too light??
So what's a competitve weight?
Are there other boats I should be considering?
Cheers
Nigel

Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: mutt on 10 Dec 2007, 05:10
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: DavidW on 10 Dec 2007, 07:41
Nigel

Matt's comments above are on the nail regarding weight - I have won several inland meetings sailing with the sort of weight you're planning and indeed more! You might find that a Crusader will be a better bet inland than a man-o-war. they are easier to tack and sail well in light winds. You could spend less and seek out a decent Cheshire Cat which would be excellent inland but would struggle to keep up on open water.

Happy hunting

Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: Jimbo42 on 10 Dec 2007, 08:48
Title: Re: Help...Which 1?
Post by: janeysailor12 on 14 Dec 2007, 02:43
Hi Valhalla!

We have Crusader 88 and are about 20 stone all up weight helm & crew.  We sail VERY competitively at our local club and my partner is also a VERY experienced river sailor (Thames).  

I have also crewed Fuzzy Duck with her old...old...old owner Don Muir.  She was damn fast!  Have a look at her if she's a beautiful as she was last time I saw her (2005) you won't be disappointed.

Oh and welcome to the class

Janey