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General Boards => General National 12 chat => Topic started by: StuW on January 28, 2018, 04:22:15 PM

Title: New Sails
Post by: StuW on January 28, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
Well the missus has given me the go ahead to get some new sails for N3546 so now comes the difficult bit.
Where to get them from.
Most obvious seems P&B but my existing sails are Goucher and seem pretty fast.
I was impressed with Daves sails he made for Gillespie which are Dynamic sails and HD sails look pretty good.
Can anybody give any feed back on any of these other manufacturers good or bad. Probably sailing with about 100 kg, using an original Angell mast mainly on inland waters
Any help really appreciated
Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: Gfinch on January 29, 2018, 11:01:05 AM
I had a new jib made by HD last year, very helpful but yet to test the sail....
Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: gbr1918 on January 29, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
Yup, I just bought some HDs as well.  A bit of a distress purchase because 3405's 2002-vintage P'n'Bs are falling apart (can't claim that we haven't had our money's worth!).  At that rate I'll need another set in 2034.   Dave Cooper
Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: Johnm on February 01, 2018, 08:30:05 PM
P&B are the gold standard.  No one does it better but others can match.
Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: David Copse on February 05, 2018, 09:46:11 AM
I am having new sails from HD, but the new sail area rules are providing loads of issues trying to get a jib to fit without chafing the lowers. Is anyone else having this trouble?

Luff 5485
Foot 2280
Area 6.253

Luff 3850
LP 1219
Leech 3700
Area 2.347

Total: 8.6

Ebba is a standard Winder-built Foolish with original Super Spars 55mm carbon mast. The lowers come off the front of the mast at the gooseneck.

Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: Johnm on February 07, 2018, 10:16:49 PM
Just go for a longer jib luff?

The further your mast is back the longer the foot measurement that the job can have.  The boats built since 2010 largely have the mast 150mm+ further aft than the previous generation and this will allow a longer foot measurement.

Whilst the lowers are a problem - and you could choose to rely on the mast ram and dispose of them - you will find that the jib tracks are positioned with a view to the clew being in a certain position relative to them.  A longer luff means that you probably move the car forwards to compensate so this is another consideration.

Back in the day lowers were called slowers by some.  I have them on 3543 and generally donít have them rigged.  Just saying....

Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: David Copse on February 08, 2018, 05:53:31 PM
Hi John,

Yep, already gone taller and I don't have a mast ram. The longer luff already means I have to shorten the jib halyard, as I now run out of purchase before the rig is tensioned.

I think HD are planning on just trimming the leach to fit the lowers, but then I lose sail area  :(

I'll keep you informed of the outcome.

Title: Re: New Sails
Post by: Johnm on February 08, 2018, 09:30:36 PM
Get a mast ram David!
I had to do similar with my job halyard - which was then a bit of a surprise when I tried to use the old jib and realised that I could not throw the rig around in the same way.  Fortunately I realised before we launched....
See you soon